We want to reflect on the dynamics of discussions with individuals who present narcissistic characteristics, such as Javier Pera. Maintaining a momentary victory in a debate with them can be devastating. It’s not just about winning an argument, but about the consequences it involves. They enjoy when they cause suffering and humiliation; that makes them experience a strange joy. Psychopaths enjoy when they submit, humiliate or degrade others. We see how Javier Pera resents and becomes vengeful when their mistakes, imprudence or weaknesses are evidenced. And organize a troop of miserables to attack their opponent. Any attempt to show them reality can lead to a cycle of vengeance. It’s important to recognize that psychopaths are necessarily narcissists, but they also demonstrate