If someone no longer identifies with the body, what is their perception of a painful condition? Prabhupada: He tolerates it. He knows. It’s like the same example: you’re not the car. If your car breaks down, even if you feel sick, you know that “I’m not a car.” That’s the position. Question: But are we conditioned? That’s why we’ve experienced pain from our childhood when someone hits me? Prabhupada: That’s false. That’s called illusion. You’re not suffering, but you think that “I’m suffering.” That’s illusion. Question: But we’re conditioned? That’s why we’ve experienced pain from our childhood when someone hits me? Prabhupada: There’s no way that we all know that “I’m not this